95th percentile on both sections), (2) got a couple years of valuable, relevant experience, (3) wrote a strong statement of purpose, highlighting why I'm passionate about the field and the experiences that have prepared me for it, and (4) made it known that there was a reason for my low GPA, without making it sound like I was making excuses (financial circumstances forced me to start working full time my sophomore year). I'm happy to take questions... Edit: TLDR: You are going to have an uphill battle -- be prepared to invest more time (years) into getting your application to a point it is acceptable -- more research experience and getting As in advanced courses that you previously did poorly on are the best tactics. Anyways, all of this is just to say that it is possible. Not just saying that this student is smart and will do well, but they have to all say that this is the top 3-5 of all students they have every worked with. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. At most universities a 2.0 is the minimum requirement to graduate and avoid being placed academic probabtion. poor GPA + good GRE + $ = grad school poor GPA + good GRE + [0.00 x $ ] = [0.00 x grad school], also expressed by the probability formula, percentage of getting into grad school - $ = diddly/squat. I tend to be a bit more lenient with ESL students and lower verbals. After that I took 5 courses in one semester, got a 4.0/4.0 … Many employers and graduate programs use a 3.5 GPA as the benchmark. This makes you able to start working more quickly when you walk in the door. The only way that a low GPA student will get in, 3.2 - 3.4, is if there letters are amazing. I know one person who got into grad school with a 2.994 GPA but he also had 4 years of work experience. Finally, funding: if you had a poor GPA, you are MUCH LESS LIKELY to get funding. First, I want to give a bit of a background into my process. GPA stands for grade point average and it’s yet another metric you’ll need to keep track of in high school, college, and beyond. Some will accept students with a 2.75 GPA, others will demand minimum 3.0 or 3.5. To elaborate, the national average for GPA is around a 3.0, so a 4.5 puts you above average nationally. If grad school is your eventual goal, then aim for a 3.5+. At minimum, experts say, students must generally meet a GPA standard of 2.0, on a 4.0 scale, to graduate and remain eligible for federal financial aid. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. If you have a bachelor’s in speech-language pathology, probably half a year to prepare for admissions + GRE, and another 2 years in grad school. The reddit link that you posted is from one single professor at one institution. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. UCLA Graduate Programs: A-Z Quickly browse graduate programs at the University of California Los Angeles. Ok, so this gives you three action items to get me to read your application: 1) nail the GREs (I mean you need to SLAUGHTER them), 2) contact me in the month before the applications are due asking me informative questions about grad school and my research, or 3) Go back to school and take new classes and prove you can get a higher GPA. So, action items: RESEARCH/INTERNSHIP EXPERIENCE. That is, why you have a GPA which is the absolute minimum required for graduation, in most universities or colleges. Note that many of us have shorthand for describing negative traits of an applicant -- so what might sound like a good letter may actually be a mediocre one. There's no single answer to this, everyone holds themselves to different standards. Would it be possible for you to write how you review students with GPAs that are acceptable to you? What is a good GPA - key takeaways. If you don’t have a bachelor’s or haven’t taken prerequisites, 4-5 years. Humanities funding isn't dependent on grants and such, so you'll typically just get a full package (tuition, health, stipend). and staying in a classy hotel on Sunset Boulevard . GPA score counts all of the single scores that you get during your degree. Letters are also important, because it gives me an insight into you as a person -- this is also why I will have a phone conversation or an in-person interview to assess whether we are PERSONALLY compatible. This subreddit is dedicated to news, discussions and events at the University of Ottawa, Looks like you're using new Reddit on an old browser. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. 99.68% of schools have an average GPA below a 4.5. First, I want to give a bit of a background into my process. E-mail professors, directors, and if you have time, stop by the school. On the other hand, you could have a 4.0 GPA, and still not getting admitted for twenty different reasons. Undergrads with decent stats and programming are valuable (and fairly rare) across many STEM fields. There are a few exceptions to this: If you have an incredible GRE (> 95% on quantitative and verbal) this will pique my attention. I have a masters from a respectable public school with a high GPA (3.92), a BS with Honors from another well-known public school but only an OK GPA (3.5), and I have research experience and a publication; however, I have horrible GRE scores -- on the general, I'm in the 75th percentile in quantitative and 50th for verbal, and 25th percentile on the GRE subject. GPA Composition . I've followed their advice -- speaking with people at a prospective school, mentioning my GRE scores in a frank manner in my personal statement, and applying to many many schools -- but haven't gotten anywhere after two years of applying. This goes for PhDs more than Master's. I really think that you are going about your academic planning badly. You have a low chance of getting into with a 4.5 GPA. My undergrad GPA was bad, went to an MA, and destroyed it, and every interview I had for my PhD mentioned that they loved my Master's work (I got the research my undergrad didn't have + an amazing letter of rec + a stellar GPA). 3.4 GPA, >90% GRE scores, with 1.5 years of research experience prior to applying. Considering the passing grade in grad school courses is 3.0 and you have not demonstrated the ability to get the needed grades, your ability to get admitted to a grad school is zero. The only way to fix this is to go back and re-take ADVANCED versions of these classes and get As in them. There is a lot of variance possible here, though. I was the latter. I will QUICKLY look at your grades and see what you did poorly in -- for me, there are some classes I know are red flags for excellence in my field (B or worse in math, statistics and/or computer science). But in a lot of cases, a great LSAT score can balance out a low GPA. E-mail professors, directors, and if you have time, stop by the school. For me, I won't accept ANY student I haven't spoken to ahead of time. Scary, but helpful. The grading range for (most) graduate programs I'm familiar with is a 3.0 to 4.0 scale- lower than 3.0 gets you kicked out. Missing Out On: 5 Schools. It is somewhat unusual for an admitted student not to have very strong letters. hahahaha I've just been seeing a lot of posts like "I have a 2.5 gpa, poor GREs, and mediocre letters, what do I need to get into an R1 PhD program with full funding?" If you didn't get As in those, good-bye. Second are skills and research experience you are walking in the door with (personally, I find skills/experience more valuable than theory -- which can be made up for once people get in) -- stats, computing, math for me. There is an extremely high degree of randomness with graduate school admissions, and a 3.47 GPA makes admission to Standard math unlikely, but not impossible. To all current undergrad students, it appears that you should have a MINIMUM of a 3.0; a 3.5 is most definitely preferred, and 3.8 is ideal, but very difficult to attain. Competitive For: 1554 Schools. While a majority of grad schools require a minimum 3.0 GPA, others, mainly less competitive ones, accept GPAs in the 2.0s. I get > 30 applications to work with me every year, so I don't have time to look really carefully at each one. Without these two thing, it is very hard to get in. You should be prepared to ask good questions, be knowledgeable about the university and department AND THE APPLICATION PROCESS (don't ask me about due dates and deadlines). Not really, unless you have already passed my lower threshold for me to pay attention. Realistically though it depends on what your goal is. Attention grads and undergrads: The role and importance of your GPA changes throughout your academic career. This is where good verbal GREs come in handy. Defining a Good College GPA. How does your GPA affect you right now? Scholarships will largely be inaccessible to you -- you are likely to get TAships, RAships (if the professor has their own $$$), or may have to self pay (loans loans loans). They don't know you, so they are typically going to just parrot back your grade and say "They asked good questions". Any way we can sidebar this? 100 comments 67% Upvoted This thread is archived A well written (BUT CONCISE) email demonstrating interest in my research with a CV attached is a good opener. But in a lot of cases, a great LSAT score can balance out a low GPA. If you take challenging courses, then a lower GPA can be tolerated; a high GPA based on easy courses is worth less than a good GPA based on challenging courses. I will also see how specific or generic your statement of interest is -- if you are REALLY vague, I will assume you wrote a single letter and sent it to every grad school in the country -- this isn't good. You’re gonna get the same degree whether you graduate with a 6.0 or a 10.0. Generally, a 2.4-grade point average is enough for a student to graduate, but universities request the student’s GPA for decision making, and sometimes, a 2.4-grade point average is not considered high for the country’s selective institutes, looking for averages of at least 3.5. I've heard different stories on this, and it'd be great to get some perspective. This also gets your GOOD LETTERS OF RECOMMENDATION (assuming you did a good job). Source: I'm a STEM professor at an R1. Law schools require both academic competency and high LSAT scores. I wonder why? Things get more complicated if you’re tryna get into grad school. This is the biggest weakness in most undergrad's applications -- if you are waiting tables or filing papers, KNOCK IT OFF. I'm someone who had a <2.5 coming out of undergrad but then ended up at a top-3 PhD program, and my experience has suggested so much of what you've confirmed through your post. Good is a relative term when it comes to college GPAs. A mentality not much higher than most guys who just stack boxes for a living? Don't expect me to contact you back, necessarily, but I will remember come application time that you had enough forethought to reach out to me. You can apply to colleges and have a good shot at getting admitted. Plus a good writing score and good GPA (which you definitely have). UCLA Graduate Programs: A-Z Quickly browse graduate programs at the University of California Los Angeles. Like /u/jgrn307 if you do poorly in major classes and/or have a low GPA you will not get in, even if your GREs are >80%. Whether a GPA is good or not depends on your personal and academic objectives and on the university and study programme you choose. In a large pool of applicants, that’s a good thing (usually). I'm at a R1 right now. Meet UCLA faculty, learn graduate school admissions requirements, acceptance rates, and deadlines, and which programs offer doctoral and master's degrees. You have really good GRE scores and I assume very strong letters of recommendation, so those tend to be weighted more than GPA in my experience. I was the latter. Cookies help us deliver our Services. GPA stands for grade point average and it’s yet another metric you’ll need to keep track of in high school, college, and beyond. However, a weak GPA is never a good thing, no matter how many reasons you can point to for it. Quite often the GPA of technical and hard science degrees is lower because they take harder classes, where professors are unlikely to give a lot of A’s. Now I realize how that helped. In addition, they must have a lot of research experience. For example, the University of Louisiana at Lafayette requires a GPA of at least 2.75. Accordingly, you see very few grades lower than an A … This is crucial. I'm going into CS/InfoSci though, so YMMV. This is all good advice and mirrors other things I have heard. Generally, a 2.4-grade point average is enough for a student to graduate, but universities request the student’s GPA for decision making, and sometimes, a 2.4-grade point average is not considered high for the country’s selective institutes, looking for averages of at least 3.5. Learn How to Explain a Low GPA in College Applications Students should never blame a teacher for bad grades but rather own them, experts say. I'm on admissions for biology. I graduated with a 3.17 GPA from a small state school and was able to get into a top 5 program in my field. Grades and GPA are indicators that evidence student progress. If you want to get into grad school, you need to INVEST in it and get some research experience. Experts say gaining work experience is one of the best ways for grad school hopefuls with a low college GPA to improve their admissions profile. Many law schools will accept a GPA of 3.5 or above, and top schools will expect you to have a 3.8 or higher. First is compatibility with my research (this is where writing a generic letter of interest can kill you -- make it specific to each professor). I wouldn't recommend listing a GPA below 3.0 on a resume. GPA score counts all of the single scores that you get during your degree. I just had a couple of comments: "The first thing I do is run through the applications and immediately ignore any with < 3.2 GPA in their last school. What do I now look at? It was crucial for me, certainly. I have accepted students with lower grades than other applicants simply because they had relevant experience (and skills). I really think that you are going about your academic planning badly. Those with grade trends all over the map likely have a tougher application road ahead of them than any of the other trends presented above, because they can be taken to be an unknown quantity. If you don’t have a bachelor’s or haven’t taken prerequisites, 4-5 years. / I asked a couple of professors about this, and it seemed like it was split about 1:2 in that a good number of professors were annoyed by the "backdoor entrance" attempts. Oh gosh, this is so terribly interesting. This has been really helpful. I'd say a 'good' gpa is anything above a 7, but it's subjective, anything above a 6 is gonna give you the same degree, and after you graduate gpa is pretty insignificant. There are good resources about phone/in-person interviews for grad school. Agree with this 100%. Accordingly, you see very few grades lower than an A … I agree that this is an excellent write-up, and that it should be placed in the side-bar. However, if you are applying to top-tier programs, you may be competing with students who have higher GPAs, also from R1s. I also had perfect GRE Verbal and fairly high Q scores. It's better to know what the rules are for your particular circumstance than to guess or feel overwhelmed. A lot of the responses people post are the same, but I thought I'd post my thoughts on this as a summary. Obviously, try to avoid it, but it isn't an absolute killer. I mean I’d say 7.5+ is a good gpa. Source: I'm a STEM professor at an R1. GPA Requirement: 2.8 (May be admitted with lower GPA, though some programs may have higher requirements) Grand Canyon University is Arizona’s premier private Christian university and continues to lead through innovative education, dynamic programs, and dedicated service to the region and beyond.. General graduate degree requirements include a 2.8 GPA for all undergraduate studies. I don't know if this is true for all professors though. Attention grads and undergrads: The role and importance of your GPA changes throughout your academic career. For me personally: 9.5+ is "good", but this obviously isn't reasonable for everyone. I just want to back all of this up, as somewhat of a "success story" in this situation. Many law schools will accept a GPA of 3.5 or above, and top schools will expect you to have a 3.8 or higher. In fact, even our high GPA students have letters that say this. For more competitive programs, a 3.0 or even higher may be the minimum GPA accepted, but in other cases, schools are more flexible and will admit students with a minimum 2.5, or they may have no GPA cutoff at all. Typically, programs look at your major GPA and your overall GPA separately. The value placed on GPA depends on what courses you've taken. I see a lot of prospective grads posting here that they received < 3.0 GPA and wanting to know if they have a shot of getting into grad school. Good is a relative term when it comes to college GPAs. Don't think of it as scary as much as it is just a different path. I've tried retaking the GRE General and Subject, as well as studying in various ways, but for whatever reason I just can't seem to do well -- I've never done well with standardized tests, and had similar performance on my ACT. You need to have read enough of my work to know what I'm interested in, and your interests better be in-line with mine (I get annoyed when people don't know exactly what I do and end up proposing to do something completely out of my field). Ce subreddit est dédié aux nouvelles, discussions et événements à l'Université d'Ottawa I'm in the humanities, so this next part could be useful for the other team: "I will read (or, to be honest, skim) your cover letter/research statement to see how you write. My advisors seem rather surprised that I haven't been able to get accepted into a PhD program, even after I tell them about my less-than-desirable GRE scores. ... Good … If grad school is your eventual goal, then aim for a 3.5+. This is why I get frustrated at undergrads who screw around only to realize they just added 2+ more years of not getting paid and going into debt to get the career they wanted. A lot of the responses people post are the same, but I thought I'd post my thoughts on this as a summary. Based on my limited experience, a 3.30 GPA from an R1 will likely count for more than a 3.30 from a less reputable institution. I have ignored straight-A students for not having research experience. READ THEM. Yeah, for me I know some people don't "test well" -- I don't put a HUGE stock in the GREs, although I do pay attention to verbals a bit more -- I asked this in another thread, but are you ESL? What are my chances?" A grad school interview is a pretty good sign — it means the department is excited about your application and wants to get to know you in person. Anything above academic probation. What is SLP grad school … Grades and GPA are indicators that evidence student progress. Humanities applicants typically do not bring extensive research (though this is field-dependent), so the other really important component: letters of recommendation. I will cross-check these experiences against your letters of recommendation, but to be honest I don't put a lot of stock in letters. The first thing I do is run through the applications and immediately ignore any with < 3.2 GPA in their last school. Once again, a good GPA will depend on the university and the type of programme you apply for. All this does is opens the door to me looking at your application, but now you are in competition with folks with much better GPAs. 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Edit: TLDR: You are going to have an uphill battle -- be prepared to invest more time (years) into getting your application to a point it is acceptable -- more research experience and getting As in advanced courses that you previously did poorly on are the best tactics. Anyways, all of this is just to say that it is possible. Not just saying that this student is smart and will do well, but they have to all say that this is the top 3-5 of all students they have every worked with. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. At most universities a 2.0 is the minimum requirement to graduate and avoid being placed academic probabtion. poor GPA + good GRE + $ = grad school poor GPA + good GRE + [0.00 x $ ] = [0.00 x grad school], also expressed by the probability formula, percentage of getting into grad school - $ = diddly/squat. I tend to be a bit more lenient with ESL students and lower verbals. After that I took 5 courses in one semester, got a 4.0/4.0 … Many employers and graduate programs use a 3.5 GPA as the benchmark. This makes you able to start working more quickly when you walk in the door. The only way that a low GPA student will get in, 3.2 - 3.4, is if there letters are amazing. I know one person who got into grad school with a 2.994 GPA but he also had 4 years of work experience. Finally, funding: if you had a poor GPA, you are MUCH LESS LIKELY to get funding. First, I want to give a bit of a background into my process. GPA stands for grade point average and it’s yet another metric you’ll need to keep track of in high school, college, and beyond. Some will accept students with a 2.75 GPA, others will demand minimum 3.0 or 3.5. To elaborate, the national average for GPA is around a 3.0, so a 4.5 puts you above average nationally. If grad school is your eventual goal, then aim for a 3.5+. At minimum, experts say, students must generally meet a GPA standard of 2.0, on a 4.0 scale, to graduate and remain eligible for federal financial aid. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. If you have a bachelor’s in speech-language pathology, probably half a year to prepare for admissions + GRE, and another 2 years in grad school. The reddit link that you posted is from one single professor at one institution. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. UCLA Graduate Programs: A-Z Quickly browse graduate programs at the University of California Los Angeles. Ok, so this gives you three action items to get me to read your application: 1) nail the GREs (I mean you need to SLAUGHTER them), 2) contact me in the month before the applications are due asking me informative questions about grad school and my research, or 3) Go back to school and take new classes and prove you can get a higher GPA. So, action items: RESEARCH/INTERNSHIP EXPERIENCE. That is, why you have a GPA which is the absolute minimum required for graduation, in most universities or colleges. Note that many of us have shorthand for describing negative traits of an applicant -- so what might sound like a good letter may actually be a mediocre one. There's no single answer to this, everyone holds themselves to different standards. Would it be possible for you to write how you review students with GPAs that are acceptable to you? What is a good GPA - key takeaways. If you don’t have a bachelor’s or haven’t taken prerequisites, 4-5 years. Humanities funding isn't dependent on grants and such, so you'll typically just get a full package (tuition, health, stipend). and staying in a classy hotel on Sunset Boulevard . GPA score counts all of the single scores that you get during your degree. Letters are also important, because it gives me an insight into you as a person -- this is also why I will have a phone conversation or an in-person interview to assess whether we are PERSONALLY compatible. This subreddit is dedicated to news, discussions and events at the University of Ottawa, Looks like you're using new Reddit on an old browser. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. 99.68% of schools have an average GPA below a 4.5. First, I want to give a bit of a background into my process. E-mail professors, directors, and if you have time, stop by the school. On the other hand, you could have a 4.0 GPA, and still not getting admitted for twenty different reasons. Undergrads with decent stats and programming are valuable (and fairly rare) across many STEM fields. There are a few exceptions to this: If you have an incredible GRE (> 95% on quantitative and verbal) this will pique my attention. I have a masters from a respectable public school with a high GPA (3.92), a BS with Honors from another well-known public school but only an OK GPA (3.5), and I have research experience and a publication; however, I have horrible GRE scores -- on the general, I'm in the 75th percentile in quantitative and 50th for verbal, and 25th percentile on the GRE subject. GPA Composition . I've followed their advice -- speaking with people at a prospective school, mentioning my GRE scores in a frank manner in my personal statement, and applying to many many schools -- but haven't gotten anywhere after two years of applying. This goes for PhDs more than Master's. I really think that you are going about your academic planning badly. You have a low chance of getting into with a 4.5 GPA. My undergrad GPA was bad, went to an MA, and destroyed it, and every interview I had for my PhD mentioned that they loved my Master's work (I got the research my undergrad didn't have + an amazing letter of rec + a stellar GPA). 3.4 GPA, >90% GRE scores, with 1.5 years of research experience prior to applying. Considering the passing grade in grad school courses is 3.0 and you have not demonstrated the ability to get the needed grades, your ability to get admitted to a grad school is zero. The only way to fix this is to go back and re-take ADVANCED versions of these classes and get As in them. There is a lot of variance possible here, though. I was the latter. I will QUICKLY look at your grades and see what you did poorly in -- for me, there are some classes I know are red flags for excellence in my field (B or worse in math, statistics and/or computer science). But in a lot of cases, a great LSAT score can balance out a low GPA. E-mail professors, directors, and if you have time, stop by the school. For me, I won't accept ANY student I haven't spoken to ahead of time. Scary, but helpful. The grading range for (most) graduate programs I'm familiar with is a 3.0 to 4.0 scale- lower than 3.0 gets you kicked out. Missing Out On: 5 Schools. It is somewhat unusual for an admitted student not to have very strong letters. hahahaha I've just been seeing a lot of posts like "I have a 2.5 gpa, poor GREs, and mediocre letters, what do I need to get into an R1 PhD program with full funding?" If you didn't get As in those, good-bye. Second are skills and research experience you are walking in the door with (personally, I find skills/experience more valuable than theory -- which can be made up for once people get in) -- stats, computing, math for me. There is an extremely high degree of randomness with graduate school admissions, and a 3.47 GPA makes admission to Standard math unlikely, but not impossible. To all current undergrad students, it appears that you should have a MINIMUM of a 3.0; a 3.5 is most definitely preferred, and 3.8 is ideal, but very difficult to attain. Competitive For: 1554 Schools. While a majority of grad schools require a minimum 3.0 GPA, others, mainly less competitive ones, accept GPAs in the 2.0s. I get > 30 applications to work with me every year, so I don't have time to look really carefully at each one. Without these two thing, it is very hard to get in. You should be prepared to ask good questions, be knowledgeable about the university and department AND THE APPLICATION PROCESS (don't ask me about due dates and deadlines). Not really, unless you have already passed my lower threshold for me to pay attention. Realistically though it depends on what your goal is. Attention grads and undergrads: The role and importance of your GPA changes throughout your academic career. This is where good verbal GREs come in handy. Defining a Good College GPA. How does your GPA affect you right now? Scholarships will largely be inaccessible to you -- you are likely to get TAships, RAships (if the professor has their own $$$), or may have to self pay (loans loans loans). They don't know you, so they are typically going to just parrot back your grade and say "They asked good questions". Any way we can sidebar this? 100 comments 67% Upvoted This thread is archived A well written (BUT CONCISE) email demonstrating interest in my research with a CV attached is a good opener. But in a lot of cases, a great LSAT score can balance out a low GPA. If you take challenging courses, then a lower GPA can be tolerated; a high GPA based on easy courses is worth less than a good GPA based on challenging courses. I will also see how specific or generic your statement of interest is -- if you are REALLY vague, I will assume you wrote a single letter and sent it to every grad school in the country -- this isn't good. You’re gonna get the same degree whether you graduate with a 6.0 or a 10.0. Generally, a 2.4-grade point average is enough for a student to graduate, but universities request the student’s GPA for decision making, and sometimes, a 2.4-grade point average is not considered high for the country’s selective institutes, looking for averages of at least 3.5. I've heard different stories on this, and it'd be great to get some perspective. This also gets your GOOD LETTERS OF RECOMMENDATION (assuming you did a good job). Source: I'm a STEM professor at an R1. Law schools require both academic competency and high LSAT scores. I wonder why? Things get more complicated if you’re tryna get into grad school. This is the biggest weakness in most undergrad's applications -- if you are waiting tables or filing papers, KNOCK IT OFF. I'm someone who had a <2.5 coming out of undergrad but then ended up at a top-3 PhD program, and my experience has suggested so much of what you've confirmed through your post. Good is a relative term when it comes to college GPAs. A mentality not much higher than most guys who just stack boxes for a living? Don't expect me to contact you back, necessarily, but I will remember come application time that you had enough forethought to reach out to me. You can apply to colleges and have a good shot at getting admitted. Plus a good writing score and good GPA (which you definitely have). UCLA Graduate Programs: A-Z Quickly browse graduate programs at the University of California Los Angeles. Like /u/jgrn307 if you do poorly in major classes and/or have a low GPA you will not get in, even if your GREs are >80%. Whether a GPA is good or not depends on your personal and academic objectives and on the university and study programme you choose. In a large pool of applicants, that’s a good thing (usually). I'm at a R1 right now. Meet UCLA faculty, learn graduate school admissions requirements, acceptance rates, and deadlines, and which programs offer doctoral and master's degrees. You have really good GRE scores and I assume very strong letters of recommendation, so those tend to be weighted more than GPA in my experience. I was the latter. Cookies help us deliver our Services. GPA stands for grade point average and it’s yet another metric you’ll need to keep track of in high school, college, and beyond. However, a weak GPA is never a good thing, no matter how many reasons you can point to for it. Quite often the GPA of technical and hard science degrees is lower because they take harder classes, where professors are unlikely to give a lot of A’s. Now I realize how that helped. In addition, they must have a lot of research experience. For example, the University of Louisiana at Lafayette requires a GPA of at least 2.75. Accordingly, you see very few grades lower than an A … This is crucial. I'm going into CS/InfoSci though, so YMMV. This is all good advice and mirrors other things I have heard. Generally, a 2.4-grade point average is enough for a student to graduate, but universities request the student’s GPA for decision making, and sometimes, a 2.4-grade point average is not considered high for the country’s selective institutes, looking for averages of at least 3.5. Learn How to Explain a Low GPA in College Applications Students should never blame a teacher for bad grades but rather own them, experts say. I'm on admissions for biology. I graduated with a 3.17 GPA from a small state school and was able to get into a top 5 program in my field. Grades and GPA are indicators that evidence student progress. If you want to get into grad school, you need to INVEST in it and get some research experience. Experts say gaining work experience is one of the best ways for grad school hopefuls with a low college GPA to improve their admissions profile. Many law schools will accept a GPA of 3.5 or above, and top schools will expect you to have a 3.8 or higher. First is compatibility with my research (this is where writing a generic letter of interest can kill you -- make it specific to each professor). I wouldn't recommend listing a GPA below 3.0 on a resume. GPA score counts all of the single scores that you get during your degree. I just had a couple of comments: "The first thing I do is run through the applications and immediately ignore any with < 3.2 GPA in their last school. What do I now look at? It was crucial for me, certainly. I have accepted students with lower grades than other applicants simply because they had relevant experience (and skills). I really think that you are going about your academic planning badly. Those with grade trends all over the map likely have a tougher application road ahead of them than any of the other trends presented above, because they can be taken to be an unknown quantity. If you don’t have a bachelor’s or haven’t taken prerequisites, 4-5 years. / I asked a couple of professors about this, and it seemed like it was split about 1:2 in that a good number of professors were annoyed by the "backdoor entrance" attempts. Oh gosh, this is so terribly interesting. This has been really helpful. I'd say a 'good' gpa is anything above a 7, but it's subjective, anything above a 6 is gonna give you the same degree, and after you graduate gpa is pretty insignificant. There are good resources about phone/in-person interviews for grad school. Agree with this 100%. Accordingly, you see very few grades lower than an A … I agree that this is an excellent write-up, and that it should be placed in the side-bar. However, if you are applying to top-tier programs, you may be competing with students who have higher GPAs, also from R1s. I also had perfect GRE Verbal and fairly high Q scores. It's better to know what the rules are for your particular circumstance than to guess or feel overwhelmed. A lot of the responses people post are the same, but I thought I'd post my thoughts on this as a summary. Obviously, try to avoid it, but it isn't an absolute killer. I mean I’d say 7.5+ is a good gpa. Source: I'm a STEM professor at an R1. GPA Requirement: 2.8 (May be admitted with lower GPA, though some programs may have higher requirements) Grand Canyon University is Arizona’s premier private Christian university and continues to lead through innovative education, dynamic programs, and dedicated service to the region and beyond.. General graduate degree requirements include a 2.8 GPA for all undergraduate studies. I don't know if this is true for all professors though. Attention grads and undergrads: The role and importance of your GPA changes throughout your academic career. For me personally: 9.5+ is "good", but this obviously isn't reasonable for everyone. I just want to back all of this up, as somewhat of a "success story" in this situation. Many law schools will accept a GPA of 3.5 or above, and top schools will expect you to have a 3.8 or higher. In fact, even our high GPA students have letters that say this. For more competitive programs, a 3.0 or even higher may be the minimum GPA accepted, but in other cases, schools are more flexible and will admit students with a minimum 2.5, or they may have no GPA cutoff at all. Typically, programs look at your major GPA and your overall GPA separately. The value placed on GPA depends on what courses you've taken. I see a lot of prospective grads posting here that they received < 3.0 GPA and wanting to know if they have a shot of getting into grad school. Good is a relative term when it comes to college GPAs. Don't think of it as scary as much as it is just a different path. I've tried retaking the GRE General and Subject, as well as studying in various ways, but for whatever reason I just can't seem to do well -- I've never done well with standardized tests, and had similar performance on my ACT. You need to have read enough of my work to know what I'm interested in, and your interests better be in-line with mine (I get annoyed when people don't know exactly what I do and end up proposing to do something completely out of my field). Ce subreddit est dédié aux nouvelles, discussions et événements à l'Université d'Ottawa I'm in the humanities, so this next part could be useful for the other team: "I will read (or, to be honest, skim) your cover letter/research statement to see how you write. My advisors seem rather surprised that I haven't been able to get accepted into a PhD program, even after I tell them about my less-than-desirable GRE scores. ... Good … If grad school is your eventual goal, then aim for a 3.5+. This is why I get frustrated at undergrads who screw around only to realize they just added 2+ more years of not getting paid and going into debt to get the career they wanted. A lot of the responses people post are the same, but I thought I'd post my thoughts on this as a summary. Based on my limited experience, a 3.30 GPA from an R1 will likely count for more than a 3.30 from a less reputable institution. I have ignored straight-A students for not having research experience. READ THEM. Yeah, for me I know some people don't "test well" -- I don't put a HUGE stock in the GREs, although I do pay attention to verbals a bit more -- I asked this in another thread, but are you ESL? What are my chances?" A grad school interview is a pretty good sign — it means the department is excited about your application and wants to get to know you in person. Anything above academic probation. What is SLP grad school … Grades and GPA are indicators that evidence student progress. Humanities applicants typically do not bring extensive research (though this is field-dependent), so the other really important component: letters of recommendation. I will cross-check these experiences against your letters of recommendation, but to be honest I don't put a lot of stock in letters. The first thing I do is run through the applications and immediately ignore any with < 3.2 GPA in their last school. Once again, a good GPA will depend on the university and the type of programme you apply for. All this does is opens the door to me looking at your application, but now you are in competition with folks with much better GPAs. 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What I'm looking for are code-words that the letter writer is telling me you aren't a particularly good applicant but they are too passive-aggressive to have told you no. Although grade point average is not the only thing that makes a prospective student a good candidate for a grad school program, it is an important factor — but how much of a factor depends on what schools students are interested in attending. School? We increased our minimum GPA to 3.2. It depends on the college and the country. Hopefully it will cut down on the number of posts from people who barely got out of college who want to get a PhD. I’ll be meeting this weekend with four potential PhD advisors… and eating a lot of free food (and wine! It depends, if you want grad school then ideally you're shooting for anything above a 7 or 8, but that's gonna be more complicated because they're gonna look more at later year courses. What is a good GPA - key takeaways. The grading range for (most) graduate programs I'm familiar with is a 3.0 to 4.0 scale- lower than 3.0 gets you kicked out. Be prepared for this. However, schools outside the top 10 and within the top 50 are much more understanding and forgiving when it comes to a lower GPA but not under a 3.0 gpa though level 2 Law schools require both academic competency and high LSAT scores. HOWEVER, this still won't make up for bad (Bs and lower) grades in core courses -- you will need to go back and take ADVANCED classes and get As in these. eek, free wine!) I'll be honest, I started reading your methodology, but after a few sentences, I realized it didn't fit my personal expectations, so I ignored the rest. Those with grade trends all over the map likely have a tougher application road ahead of them than any of the other trends presented above, because they can be taken to be an unknown quantity. However it is my understanding that the random typo in a 20 page writing sample will not necessarily kill you. By Delece Smith-Barrow , … Here I concur with all OP said. If you want to get into a top 10 grad school GPA matters a lot. I will ignore most letters that just came from people who you took a class with. How does your GPA affect you right now? It also depends on how you contact the professor. You can see the immediate problem here -- I'm unlikely to even spend much (if any) time reading your application and looking at the subtleties -- I flag your application "no" and move on. There is an extremely high degree of randomness with graduate school admissions, and a 3.47 GPA makes admission to Standard math unlikely, but not impossible. It depends, if you want grad school then ideally you're shooting for anything above a 7 or 8, but that's gonna be more complicated because they're gonna look more at later year courses. Typos are guaranteed to place you in the "no" pile -- for two reasons -- 1) writing is incredibly important in grad school, and 2) typos/bad grammar indicates a lack of focus, work ethic, and/or being able to ask for help when you need it. Application Strength. ASHA’s EdFind lists the different programs by state and they may have specific minimums they are looking for. Classes? What is SLP grad school … Hope this is helpful! After that I took 5 courses in one semester, got a 4.0/4.0 … Many employers and graduate programs use a 3.5 GPA as the benchmark. Edit 3: to clarify "STEM" without giving too much away, I'm in a biological field that has both strong quantitative and field components to it. I've heard too many stories of people getting into top departments across the humanities despite having one or two typos in their documents. Discussion forum for current, past, and future students of any discipline completing post-graduate studies - taught or research. Genuine question here, first year here and since there’s no class averages I can’t really tell where I’m at compared to others or what a “good” gpa is, so if some of you guys could weigh in on this it’d be nice. Defining a Good College GPA. This is where it gets more fluid, but the same basic principles hold up. However, a weak GPA is never a good thing, no matter how many reasons you can point to for it. Get a good SAT or ACT score. Take out a loan if you have to. threads, but now we can just point to this thread and tell Redditors to read it. If you have contacted me prior to the application, I will spend more time looking at your application. When looking at GPA's and grades, do you take into consideration the school or the difficulty of the class at all? Not all 4.0 GPAs are equal. Generally speaking a 3.0 or higher is considered "good" across all majors. Telfer student here btw cause I’m sure the program matters. Application expectations vary by program, but some general ingredients for a solid application include a strong undergraduate GPA, compelling recommendations, a good GRE score, and a great personal statement. A 3.5 plus would be a competitive GPA. which is why I wanted to post this rather than keep responding to each one individually. In a large pool of applicants, that’s a good thing (usually). Once again, a good GPA will depend on the university and the type of programme you apply for. Typos are guaranteed to place you in the "no" pile". Ok, wall o' text with probably a ton of typos. Everyone needs to set their own goals. Or someone might have gotten a B in a real analysis class they took instead of a calculus class which would have been an easy A. This can also help you write a BETTER COVER LETTER (you can even ask your supervisor for help with this). poor GPA + good GRE + $ = grad school poor GPA + good GRE + [0.00 x $ ] = [0.00 x grad school], also expressed by the probability formula, percentage of getting into grad school - $ = diddly/squat. I did an MA at a top department in my field before applying to PhD programs. Edit: to those downvoting /u/eight26 I'm pretty sure this is /sarcasm. Whether a GPA is good or not depends on your personal and academic objectives and on the university and study programme you choose. On the other hand, you could have a 4.0 GPA, and still not getting admitted for twenty different reasons. What about the reverse situation? Among the top 10 primary care medicine programs, the average median GPA for entering students was a 3.78, and among the top 10 research-focused medical schools, the average median GPA … Third is writing skills and publication record (which is rare for Master's, and fairly rare for PhD candidates)-- although coauthorship is nice, I'm really looking for first authorships. The site may not work properly if you don't, If you do not update your browser, we suggest you visit, Press J to jump to the feed. At the time the consensus was that excelling in the MA would go a long way toward overcoming my undergrad handicap. 3. ! I will read (or, to be honest, skim) your cover letter/research statement to see how you write. Next, assuming you make it past all this, I will schedule a call with you before accepting -- possibly fly you out. So if your GPA in your intended grad program classes is higher, then that is something to consider too. Meet UCLA faculty, learn graduate school admissions requirements, acceptance rates, and deadlines, and which programs offer doctoral and master's degrees. Some will accept students with a 2.75 GPA, others will demand minimum 3.0 or 3.5. While requirements aren't universal, with individual schools setting varying standards, many require a minimum GPA of 3.0 for admission into a … 3. Statement of purpose and writing sample are incredibly important and are closely read in the humanities, and can literally make or break your application. Some of the ways that I believe I was able to compensate for my poor GPA: (1) Like you said, I nailed the GRE (>95th percentile on both sections), (2) got a couple years of valuable, relevant experience, (3) wrote a strong statement of purpose, highlighting why I'm passionate about the field and the experiences that have prepared me for it, and (4) made it known that there was a reason for my low GPA, without making it sound like I was making excuses (financial circumstances forced me to start working full time my sophomore year). I'm happy to take questions... Edit: TLDR: You are going to have an uphill battle -- be prepared to invest more time (years) into getting your application to a point it is acceptable -- more research experience and getting As in advanced courses that you previously did poorly on are the best tactics. Anyways, all of this is just to say that it is possible. Not just saying that this student is smart and will do well, but they have to all say that this is the top 3-5 of all students they have every worked with. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. At most universities a 2.0 is the minimum requirement to graduate and avoid being placed academic probabtion. poor GPA + good GRE + $ = grad school poor GPA + good GRE + [0.00 x $ ] = [0.00 x grad school], also expressed by the probability formula, percentage of getting into grad school - $ = diddly/squat. I tend to be a bit more lenient with ESL students and lower verbals. After that I took 5 courses in one semester, got a 4.0/4.0 … Many employers and graduate programs use a 3.5 GPA as the benchmark. This makes you able to start working more quickly when you walk in the door. The only way that a low GPA student will get in, 3.2 - 3.4, is if there letters are amazing. I know one person who got into grad school with a 2.994 GPA but he also had 4 years of work experience. Finally, funding: if you had a poor GPA, you are MUCH LESS LIKELY to get funding. First, I want to give a bit of a background into my process. GPA stands for grade point average and it’s yet another metric you’ll need to keep track of in high school, college, and beyond. Some will accept students with a 2.75 GPA, others will demand minimum 3.0 or 3.5. To elaborate, the national average for GPA is around a 3.0, so a 4.5 puts you above average nationally. If grad school is your eventual goal, then aim for a 3.5+. At minimum, experts say, students must generally meet a GPA standard of 2.0, on a 4.0 scale, to graduate and remain eligible for federal financial aid. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. If you have a bachelor’s in speech-language pathology, probably half a year to prepare for admissions + GRE, and another 2 years in grad school. The reddit link that you posted is from one single professor at one institution. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. UCLA Graduate Programs: A-Z Quickly browse graduate programs at the University of California Los Angeles. Ok, so this gives you three action items to get me to read your application: 1) nail the GREs (I mean you need to SLAUGHTER them), 2) contact me in the month before the applications are due asking me informative questions about grad school and my research, or 3) Go back to school and take new classes and prove you can get a higher GPA. So, action items: RESEARCH/INTERNSHIP EXPERIENCE. That is, why you have a GPA which is the absolute minimum required for graduation, in most universities or colleges. Note that many of us have shorthand for describing negative traits of an applicant -- so what might sound like a good letter may actually be a mediocre one. There's no single answer to this, everyone holds themselves to different standards. Would it be possible for you to write how you review students with GPAs that are acceptable to you? What is a good GPA - key takeaways. If you don’t have a bachelor’s or haven’t taken prerequisites, 4-5 years. Humanities funding isn't dependent on grants and such, so you'll typically just get a full package (tuition, health, stipend). and staying in a classy hotel on Sunset Boulevard . GPA score counts all of the single scores that you get during your degree. Letters are also important, because it gives me an insight into you as a person -- this is also why I will have a phone conversation or an in-person interview to assess whether we are PERSONALLY compatible. This subreddit is dedicated to news, discussions and events at the University of Ottawa, Looks like you're using new Reddit on an old browser. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. 99.68% of schools have an average GPA below a 4.5. First, I want to give a bit of a background into my process. E-mail professors, directors, and if you have time, stop by the school. On the other hand, you could have a 4.0 GPA, and still not getting admitted for twenty different reasons. Undergrads with decent stats and programming are valuable (and fairly rare) across many STEM fields. There are a few exceptions to this: If you have an incredible GRE (> 95% on quantitative and verbal) this will pique my attention. I have a masters from a respectable public school with a high GPA (3.92), a BS with Honors from another well-known public school but only an OK GPA (3.5), and I have research experience and a publication; however, I have horrible GRE scores -- on the general, I'm in the 75th percentile in quantitative and 50th for verbal, and 25th percentile on the GRE subject. GPA Composition . I've followed their advice -- speaking with people at a prospective school, mentioning my GRE scores in a frank manner in my personal statement, and applying to many many schools -- but haven't gotten anywhere after two years of applying. This goes for PhDs more than Master's. I really think that you are going about your academic planning badly. You have a low chance of getting into with a 4.5 GPA. My undergrad GPA was bad, went to an MA, and destroyed it, and every interview I had for my PhD mentioned that they loved my Master's work (I got the research my undergrad didn't have + an amazing letter of rec + a stellar GPA). 3.4 GPA, >90% GRE scores, with 1.5 years of research experience prior to applying. Considering the passing grade in grad school courses is 3.0 and you have not demonstrated the ability to get the needed grades, your ability to get admitted to a grad school is zero. The only way to fix this is to go back and re-take ADVANCED versions of these classes and get As in them. There is a lot of variance possible here, though. I was the latter. I will QUICKLY look at your grades and see what you did poorly in -- for me, there are some classes I know are red flags for excellence in my field (B or worse in math, statistics and/or computer science). But in a lot of cases, a great LSAT score can balance out a low GPA. E-mail professors, directors, and if you have time, stop by the school. For me, I won't accept ANY student I haven't spoken to ahead of time. Scary, but helpful. The grading range for (most) graduate programs I'm familiar with is a 3.0 to 4.0 scale- lower than 3.0 gets you kicked out. Missing Out On: 5 Schools. It is somewhat unusual for an admitted student not to have very strong letters. hahahaha I've just been seeing a lot of posts like "I have a 2.5 gpa, poor GREs, and mediocre letters, what do I need to get into an R1 PhD program with full funding?" If you didn't get As in those, good-bye. Second are skills and research experience you are walking in the door with (personally, I find skills/experience more valuable than theory -- which can be made up for once people get in) -- stats, computing, math for me. There is an extremely high degree of randomness with graduate school admissions, and a 3.47 GPA makes admission to Standard math unlikely, but not impossible. To all current undergrad students, it appears that you should have a MINIMUM of a 3.0; a 3.5 is most definitely preferred, and 3.8 is ideal, but very difficult to attain. Competitive For: 1554 Schools. While a majority of grad schools require a minimum 3.0 GPA, others, mainly less competitive ones, accept GPAs in the 2.0s. I get > 30 applications to work with me every year, so I don't have time to look really carefully at each one. Without these two thing, it is very hard to get in. You should be prepared to ask good questions, be knowledgeable about the university and department AND THE APPLICATION PROCESS (don't ask me about due dates and deadlines). Not really, unless you have already passed my lower threshold for me to pay attention. Realistically though it depends on what your goal is. Attention grads and undergrads: The role and importance of your GPA changes throughout your academic career. This is where good verbal GREs come in handy. Defining a Good College GPA. How does your GPA affect you right now? Scholarships will largely be inaccessible to you -- you are likely to get TAships, RAships (if the professor has their own $$$), or may have to self pay (loans loans loans). They don't know you, so they are typically going to just parrot back your grade and say "They asked good questions". Any way we can sidebar this? 100 comments 67% Upvoted This thread is archived A well written (BUT CONCISE) email demonstrating interest in my research with a CV attached is a good opener. But in a lot of cases, a great LSAT score can balance out a low GPA. If you take challenging courses, then a lower GPA can be tolerated; a high GPA based on easy courses is worth less than a good GPA based on challenging courses. I will also see how specific or generic your statement of interest is -- if you are REALLY vague, I will assume you wrote a single letter and sent it to every grad school in the country -- this isn't good. You’re gonna get the same degree whether you graduate with a 6.0 or a 10.0. Generally, a 2.4-grade point average is enough for a student to graduate, but universities request the student’s GPA for decision making, and sometimes, a 2.4-grade point average is not considered high for the country’s selective institutes, looking for averages of at least 3.5. I've heard different stories on this, and it'd be great to get some perspective. This also gets your GOOD LETTERS OF RECOMMENDATION (assuming you did a good job). Source: I'm a STEM professor at an R1. Law schools require both academic competency and high LSAT scores. I wonder why? Things get more complicated if you’re tryna get into grad school. This is the biggest weakness in most undergrad's applications -- if you are waiting tables or filing papers, KNOCK IT OFF. I'm someone who had a <2.5 coming out of undergrad but then ended up at a top-3 PhD program, and my experience has suggested so much of what you've confirmed through your post. Good is a relative term when it comes to college GPAs. A mentality not much higher than most guys who just stack boxes for a living? Don't expect me to contact you back, necessarily, but I will remember come application time that you had enough forethought to reach out to me. You can apply to colleges and have a good shot at getting admitted. Plus a good writing score and good GPA (which you definitely have). UCLA Graduate Programs: A-Z Quickly browse graduate programs at the University of California Los Angeles. Like /u/jgrn307 if you do poorly in major classes and/or have a low GPA you will not get in, even if your GREs are >80%. Whether a GPA is good or not depends on your personal and academic objectives and on the university and study programme you choose. In a large pool of applicants, that’s a good thing (usually). I'm at a R1 right now. Meet UCLA faculty, learn graduate school admissions requirements, acceptance rates, and deadlines, and which programs offer doctoral and master's degrees. You have really good GRE scores and I assume very strong letters of recommendation, so those tend to be weighted more than GPA in my experience. I was the latter. Cookies help us deliver our Services. GPA stands for grade point average and it’s yet another metric you’ll need to keep track of in high school, college, and beyond. However, a weak GPA is never a good thing, no matter how many reasons you can point to for it. Quite often the GPA of technical and hard science degrees is lower because they take harder classes, where professors are unlikely to give a lot of A’s. Now I realize how that helped. In addition, they must have a lot of research experience. For example, the University of Louisiana at Lafayette requires a GPA of at least 2.75. Accordingly, you see very few grades lower than an A … This is crucial. I'm going into CS/InfoSci though, so YMMV. This is all good advice and mirrors other things I have heard. Generally, a 2.4-grade point average is enough for a student to graduate, but universities request the student’s GPA for decision making, and sometimes, a 2.4-grade point average is not considered high for the country’s selective institutes, looking for averages of at least 3.5. Learn How to Explain a Low GPA in College Applications Students should never blame a teacher for bad grades but rather own them, experts say. I'm on admissions for biology. I graduated with a 3.17 GPA from a small state school and was able to get into a top 5 program in my field. Grades and GPA are indicators that evidence student progress. If you want to get into grad school, you need to INVEST in it and get some research experience. Experts say gaining work experience is one of the best ways for grad school hopefuls with a low college GPA to improve their admissions profile. Many law schools will accept a GPA of 3.5 or above, and top schools will expect you to have a 3.8 or higher. First is compatibility with my research (this is where writing a generic letter of interest can kill you -- make it specific to each professor). I wouldn't recommend listing a GPA below 3.0 on a resume. GPA score counts all of the single scores that you get during your degree. I just had a couple of comments: "The first thing I do is run through the applications and immediately ignore any with < 3.2 GPA in their last school. What do I now look at? It was crucial for me, certainly. I have accepted students with lower grades than other applicants simply because they had relevant experience (and skills). I really think that you are going about your academic planning badly. Those with grade trends all over the map likely have a tougher application road ahead of them than any of the other trends presented above, because they can be taken to be an unknown quantity. If you don’t have a bachelor’s or haven’t taken prerequisites, 4-5 years. / I asked a couple of professors about this, and it seemed like it was split about 1:2 in that a good number of professors were annoyed by the "backdoor entrance" attempts. Oh gosh, this is so terribly interesting. This has been really helpful. I'd say a 'good' gpa is anything above a 7, but it's subjective, anything above a 6 is gonna give you the same degree, and after you graduate gpa is pretty insignificant. There are good resources about phone/in-person interviews for grad school. Agree with this 100%. Accordingly, you see very few grades lower than an A … I agree that this is an excellent write-up, and that it should be placed in the side-bar. However, if you are applying to top-tier programs, you may be competing with students who have higher GPAs, also from R1s. I also had perfect GRE Verbal and fairly high Q scores. It's better to know what the rules are for your particular circumstance than to guess or feel overwhelmed. A lot of the responses people post are the same, but I thought I'd post my thoughts on this as a summary. Obviously, try to avoid it, but it isn't an absolute killer. I mean I’d say 7.5+ is a good gpa. Source: I'm a STEM professor at an R1. GPA Requirement: 2.8 (May be admitted with lower GPA, though some programs may have higher requirements) Grand Canyon University is Arizona’s premier private Christian university and continues to lead through innovative education, dynamic programs, and dedicated service to the region and beyond.. General graduate degree requirements include a 2.8 GPA for all undergraduate studies. I don't know if this is true for all professors though. Attention grads and undergrads: The role and importance of your GPA changes throughout your academic career. For me personally: 9.5+ is "good", but this obviously isn't reasonable for everyone. I just want to back all of this up, as somewhat of a "success story" in this situation. Many law schools will accept a GPA of 3.5 or above, and top schools will expect you to have a 3.8 or higher. In fact, even our high GPA students have letters that say this. For more competitive programs, a 3.0 or even higher may be the minimum GPA accepted, but in other cases, schools are more flexible and will admit students with a minimum 2.5, or they may have no GPA cutoff at all. Typically, programs look at your major GPA and your overall GPA separately. The value placed on GPA depends on what courses you've taken. I see a lot of prospective grads posting here that they received < 3.0 GPA and wanting to know if they have a shot of getting into grad school. Good is a relative term when it comes to college GPAs. Don't think of it as scary as much as it is just a different path. I've tried retaking the GRE General and Subject, as well as studying in various ways, but for whatever reason I just can't seem to do well -- I've never done well with standardized tests, and had similar performance on my ACT. You need to have read enough of my work to know what I'm interested in, and your interests better be in-line with mine (I get annoyed when people don't know exactly what I do and end up proposing to do something completely out of my field). Ce subreddit est dédié aux nouvelles, discussions et événements à l'Université d'Ottawa I'm in the humanities, so this next part could be useful for the other team: "I will read (or, to be honest, skim) your cover letter/research statement to see how you write. My advisors seem rather surprised that I haven't been able to get accepted into a PhD program, even after I tell them about my less-than-desirable GRE scores. ... Good … If grad school is your eventual goal, then aim for a 3.5+. This is why I get frustrated at undergrads who screw around only to realize they just added 2+ more years of not getting paid and going into debt to get the career they wanted. A lot of the responses people post are the same, but I thought I'd post my thoughts on this as a summary. Based on my limited experience, a 3.30 GPA from an R1 will likely count for more than a 3.30 from a less reputable institution. I have ignored straight-A students for not having research experience. READ THEM. Yeah, for me I know some people don't "test well" -- I don't put a HUGE stock in the GREs, although I do pay attention to verbals a bit more -- I asked this in another thread, but are you ESL? What are my chances?" A grad school interview is a pretty good sign — it means the department is excited about your application and wants to get to know you in person. Anything above academic probation. What is SLP grad school … Grades and GPA are indicators that evidence student progress. Humanities applicants typically do not bring extensive research (though this is field-dependent), so the other really important component: letters of recommendation. I will cross-check these experiences against your letters of recommendation, but to be honest I don't put a lot of stock in letters. The first thing I do is run through the applications and immediately ignore any with < 3.2 GPA in their last school. Once again, a good GPA will depend on the university and the type of programme you apply for. All this does is opens the door to me looking at your application, but now you are in competition with folks with much better GPAs. For instance someone might have a 3.0 from Cornell, which is a school with very smart students and is thought to have significant grade deflation (I have no affiliation with Cornell btw), but they might have gotten a 3.4 if they went to a easier school. Studies - taught or research advice and mirrors other things I have ignored straight-A students not. And have a 3.8 or higher Delece Smith-Barrow, … grades and GPA are indicators that evidence progress. 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